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boehner said no substantial progress on fiscal cliff debt deal while harry reid insists we democrats are on track and will finalize it this year. even chuck schumer weighed in saying progress is being made on the hill and the next is a taste oversensitive. take a look at the intraday, you can see how it was jerked around today. right around 11:30 a.m., speaker john maye -- john boehner spoke. the buyers poured in, the short time later chuck schumer came in. now we are trading near the highs of the day. the dow jones dust they stop 77 points, 45 to the upside. all 10 s. and p. sectors are jumping with technologies leading the way. research in motion a big winner. can you believe the stock is near $12 per share. rim was at $6 per share, but positive comments out of goldman sachs fueling the game. apple in the green continuing the postelection resurgence. apple was in bear market correction level just a few weeks ago, but right now jumping about 1%. disappointing november sales numbers. costs dropping 6%, tiffany got a markdown, earnings missed street estimates. and then there is aeropo
for republicans who were plotting to gain leverage over the fiscal cliff discussions by folding the debt ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really, the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell
vance. tonight, president obama issued yet another warning to republicans, do not use the fiscal cliff to start a fight over the debt ceiling. the u.s. could reach its debt ceiling by the end of the month, and risk defaulting on its loans early next year. house speaker john boehner today said, quote, we don't have time for the president to continue shifting the goal posts. we need to solve this problem. danielle lee now joins us from capitol hill with more on this story tonight. danielle? >> reporter: jim, good evening. we're just now learning that president obama spoke to house speaker john boehner by phone this afternoon. but we're not hearing of any progress on avoiding the fiscal cliff or on raising the nation's debt ceiling which is currently at $16.4 trillion. there are new concerns about what could happen to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to
in federal spending begin with the fiscal cliff will put us in a recession. then we have got the debt ceiling limit which is mid-february, early march. we need to wrap all of this up into a common sense bipartisan grand bargain. just game this out by saying we are going to dive off the fiscal cliff, putting americans out of work, damage our economy or putting us in a recession or worse is profoundly irresponsible. megyn: what do you make of his request to cut congress out with respect to the debt limit. your thoughts on that? >> it's outrageous it's like say we maxed out our credit card so i'm going to get a new credit card with no limit so i can keep spending. there needs to be some accountability here. so far we are spending 42 cents out of every dollar in washington in borrowed money. that's money our kid and grandkids are going to have to pay back. that's a crazy idea. and i'm amazed at secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. i think that's the kind of response it deserved. megyn: the president want tax rates to be hiked on the
that no congress has ever used the fiscal cliff. usual through debt ceiling as a bargaining point, which is what happened last year. this never dealt with. >> what would happen if the congress said no? the president would be forced to operate the federal government in money available to him. >> nobody said that to ronald reagan or the first george busher second george bush. >> democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling. >> but nobody has ever, ever stopped it and made it a point of then fiscal negotiation. only happened once. >> we have never been in treacherous, perilous fiscal circumstances as today. >> bret: top senate republican calling it quits was here on the set with us. the all-stars weigh in on that. surprising development next. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now complete. introducing droid dna by htc. it's not an upgrade to your phone. it's an upgrade to yourself. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance prot
%. ♪ >> it certainly 'tis the season and whether you're counting the days to the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, christmas day, or judgment day, there's much to do and not much time to do it. as for us, we're counting down the minutes to house speaker john boehner who will be lighting the capitol christmas tree 234 just about an hour. if you're among the wealthiest of americans, then, boy, does boehner have a gift wrapped for you. in republicans' counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff, the rich get to keep their bush era tax cuts, even as the boehner budget slashes $1.2 trillion in spending, half of it from medicare, medicaid, and other social programs. it is a lump of coal delivered by the republican reindeer to the vast majority of americans. as for new revenues, they have reached in santa's sack for that old favorite. they plan to raise $800 billion by closing loopholes and deductions. only one problem a problem that flummoxes no less than mitt romney and paul ryan throughout the campaign, a problem as real today as it will be tomorrow -- the math. as the president explained in his first pos
't tie fiscal cliff negotiations to upcoming debt ceiling votes. >> i will not play that game. we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> it's a sign the two sides have a lot to discuss---once they decide to do so. emily schmidt, kron4 news >> depending on you who you speak with. this wild prank. the hospital got a call from deejays she was pretending to be the queen and he was pretending that he was prince charles. incredibly, the hospital thought that it was correct and they released information. >> the call was put through to the ward and i am not impressed i think it was a pretty poor trick to play. there is no chance that this could have been put to the patient. >>catherine: that's the hospital boss - trying to save face. but a lot of people think it was pretty funny - especially when a nurse began instructing the 'queen' on when she should show up during visiting hours. the radio station is apologizing. >> coming up you could be surprised what is coming through the waterways on its way to san francisco bay. [ crickets chirping ] [ traffic passing ] ♪ [ music box: lullaby
reporter on the latest in the senate on president obama's proposal on the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling. this is about five minutes. >> andrew taylor covers congress for the associated press. there were some attempts by mitch mcconnell to get roll-call votes on the president's debt plan and his fiscal cliff plan and the debt ceiling plan. what was he trying to do? >> guest: he was trying to embarrass the democrats. for instance, the president's plan on the debt ceiling was basically allowing the president to request whatever increases without the approval of congress and he thought that would embarrass democrats if they had to vote for it particularly endangered ones. >> sounded like leader reid took the bait. how the democrats respond? >> guest: there are a lot in politics going on here. we just talked about politics from mcconnell's side. democrats are aware that even if they allow -- even if they get the republicans to crumble on raising tax rates for upper bracket people there is still going to be a need next year, say march, to increase the debt limit and that was what john boehner
a function of doing both of the things you talk about, joe. having an agreement to avoid the debt, the fiscal cliff, and then having a down payment on actually getting the $4 trillion identified. >> howard dean is a deficit hawk. liberal, but he is a deficit hawk. he doesn't say maybe if we can't get a deal together, maybe we'd be okay with the fiscal cliff. he says that is the best deal for everyone, the best deal for progressives, just to do it. to go back to the clinton era rates. you get rid of three quarters of the deficit just on tax increases at that point. >> and he says you get defense cuts. >> you can't get defense cuts any other way. and he's not the only one. there's a lot of people on the left and there's quite a few people on the right. i'm glad you're optimistic and a lot of ceos and guys in your position -- if you run a company, you don't need consumers petrified and business people petrified. this is the last thing we need if you run a company. i understand you have a horse in the game. >> but you also have the double trigger. if you go over the cliff, we've got the debt ceil
in their heels, and with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff, or to raise the debt ceiling which is currently at $16.4 trillion, now there's new concern about what could happen to our credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limits. president obama called it a dangerous lesson when he talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may refuse to raise the debt ceiling and risk defaulting on the country's loan. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperor. he does not have the power. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a standstill since monday. not by raising rates on the rich as the president had insisted. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of reve
ground. solving the fiscal cliff in a manner that addresses the true drivers of our debt and saves american jobs will be a great way for the president to start his second term. and for the good of the country, and my colleagues, we're ready to work with the president to achieve those goals. >> [ inaudible ]. >> that was speaker john boehner on capitol hill offering his rebuttal to the president's speech? pennsylvania. michael crowley, i'm sensing that there is a -- the drawing of a line in the sand about the president's squandering some amount of goodwill that the republicans are now trying to sort of further as a mean out there almost as their answer to his presumption of reasonableness or the great reasonableness tour of 2012. >> yeah. you know, boehner saying this is not a game but that's part of saying it's not a game is part of the game. i'm not sure that there's was any genuine goodwill republicans felt to the president as a result of his election. i don't think they had a genuine sense they owed himming that and that's how politics works. fight tooth and nail to your greates
. charles: on that note, we are talking about the fiscal cliff. earlier today, president obama brought the debt ceiling debate, or would be debate into the picture. it feels like a lot of the work that you do -- people say okay, we spent 100 grand on this or maybe watching the shrimp on a treadmill. it's not a big deal. >> is a big deal because the way you eliminate a trillion dollar deficit is a billion dollars at a time. the wavy you get a billion dollars is 100 million or $10 million at a time. so what is our excuse? can we say that it is okay to waste money and hundreds of thousands of small areas that add up to trillions of dollars? or do we have to look at big areas? what i would put forward is congress isn't doing their job and how they write it and oversight it. i still pick up any of my feet on the ground because the penny is were 3.5 cents. anyone in america who is struggling today, we don't have the luxury of ignoring stupidity and waste anymore. charles: i have less than a minute. i have to squeeze this in here. you think we could be a transitional transformative point in t
tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being the expiration of the bush tax cuts at the end of this year. to some extent, now they're getting to the real deadline and it is more serious. host: have you written one of the, if we go over the cliff, this is what happens-type article? guest: yes. people would probably start feeling it in their paychecks pretty quickly. never mind what it means to the broader economy. it will hit. it will hurt a lot of people. if we did not change the law and it went one month, two months, three months, it could lead to another recession because there be such a sharp drop in people's incomes and it would be spending less. that would not be good for businesses. i do not think that is quite to happen. -- going to happen. host: caller, last word with
of coffee this morning. starbucks ceo has sobering advice to offer on the looming fiscal cliff, that the consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever. his message to lawmakers, now is not the time to play politics. it's about doing right by the american people. >> i think if people would get in the room and leave their ego behind, and not be so skewed towards the party but be so sensitive to the lens of the american people, we will have an agreement. >> poppy harlow is joining us with more. we've been talking about how this will affect us. schultz says this goes way beyond our boarders. >> it's global. something that stuck with me talking to him about this, the people who need a deal most will be hurt the most. here's why. >> this single issue has a seismic affect on the rest of the world, that we have never been as connected and the domino effect of a bad outcome here will have significant negative consequences, domestically and around the world, not the least of which will be the level --
is reducing its exposure to muni debt. why? is this a reaction to the fiscal cliff? >> well, we started reducing our municipal debt a couple years ago when the recession was on and state governments were having a hard time. we just had too much. we had about $26 billion. now we're down to 13. i feel good at where we're at. we reduced it for four reasons. if you're loaning somebody money, right, you want to make sure they got income to pay you. you want to make sure they got decent balance sheet. you got to like the management team. you got to like governance. in many of these states, we didn't like all four of them. we thought they didn't have any money, weren't generating enough tax rev news, their governance was terrible. so we said, you know, we're just going to get smaller. >> hurricane sandy, big hit? >> $1.75 billion. about a quarter worth of earnings for us. i toured the damage yesterday. all the devastation you'd expect. i saw all the places. the interesting thing was what you don't see in those tapes are the american resilience. people pick themselves up and get going again. th
the fiscal cliff and we see continued problems on the debt side for the u.s., i think the gold price outperforms the white metals. >> reporter: gold's price will also depend on whether central banks continue to diversify their holdings into gold, and whether they implement more quantitative easing to boost growth. the outlook for platinum is a little more complicated. there have been major supply disruptions due to labor unrest in south africa, which produces nearly all of the world's platinum. it also depends on demand. >> europe is a key part of the platinum demand picture. if europe can recover, certainly that's going to bode well for platinum demand. if the price trades higher, it may affect some of the price- sensitive sectors like jewelry, like chinese jewelry demand. >> reporter: of course, many investors only buy metals for investment reasons. currently, there's over $150 billion invested in gold exchange-traded funds, an all- time high. erika miller, nbr, new york. >> tom: the broad market drifted higher with one eye on economic data and the other on washington. the s&p 500
% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax
. >> and don luskin, is it better to own bonds during this fiscal cliff tiff? >> yes, december is the time to be risk off folks. the market's in complete denial. total complacency. the fiscal cliff will create a crisis like the debt ceiling negotiation did that led to the bottom 16 months ago. going to be another buying opportunity. but stocks will be significantly lower. by the way that's what creates buying opportunities. but face it it's going to happen. >> jim la camp, will the stock market vigilantes be necessary to get an agreement in washington? >> i think we're going to see more volatility. >> don and jim, thanks very much. >>> up next why the biggest headache right now for a baseball general manager might just be taxes and the fiscal cliff. don't tell me taxes don't matter. it even affects baseball all next on "kudlow." >>> dominos have a problem with obama care. they claim it forces them to post signs with nutritional information on every product. domino's says it's done the math. there are 34 million possible combinations costing thousands of dollars at each location which of co
. here we go with the fiscal cliff and the debt and now they vote down the disabilities act right in front of bob dole in a real wheelchair. we're just like wow. >> absolutely. if anyone wants to make a music video using this song as the background alluding to all of that stuff you're talking about you know, i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: there you go. >> i can't speak for viacom's lawyers. >> stephanie: no. >> but i'm not going to say no. >> stephanie: here's a fun fact. co-wrote ten of the album songs. who is so handsome and rowic and talented. >> thank you. >> don't be a jerk dates from 2009. the joe wilson thing was happening. it just seemed like rudeness and you know, the lack of manners and civil discourses breaking down. you know, my cowriter, andy and i came up with this phrase, how about a song don't be a jerk, it's christmas. it wasn't jerk as you know, stephanie. it begins with a d and ends with a k and ends with flick but -- >> stephanie: yes. >> three years later it is a whole spongebo
to face this fiscal cliff, we're facing endless fights over debt ceilings from now on. there's going to be this regular thing, this, you know, veg-o-matic. we have to go through this whole thing. he's saying to the liberals who might be willing to go along with the deal, even if you go along with this, there will be more to pay in two months in february, then more a few months after that. he's making it very difficult for the president to convince his progressives, maybe we ought to give a little. if i give here on medicare, i'm going to have to give again in a month and another month. it looks horrible. the other side he's saying, this is going to be fun. maybe he's playing to his right wing crowd saying if we don't get a big apple bite this time, we'll get another bite next month. who is he playing to when he says we're going to have more trouble down the road? >> you have to remember the cross currents facing boehner include not just the tea party crazies but the right wing donor class is very hard right on this ideological issue of never seeing any tax increases. and the republic
. president obama's first offer fiscal cliff, higher taxes, new spending and power over the debt spending. and offered by tim geithner who had tax problems in the past and today president obama is it at a toy factory campaigning for new taxes on the rich. and joining us is julia. >> hi. stuart: how are you. >> i'm great. stuart: i can't believe that you, as a regular american, want to do this to america, do you? >> i think it's because-- i don't think that this is exactly what what's going to happen. stuart: you don't think that the president will actually do this. >> no, no, i think the president has learned to negotiate. what the president would do, he would start with sort of half a loaf and negotiate and give the republicans about 75% of what they wanted. i think he's finally understood if you want to actually get to at least halfway, you have to start at extremes and meet halfway. republicans have done this all along. stuart: you agree with me, if this plan, anything like it from the president, were imposed on the economy at this time it would lead to recession. >> i think that the p
turn to the rest. >> right now we are facing a fiscal cliff. last year we were facing the debt ceiling. before that, we were looking at several potential government shutdowns. at a different level, the appropriations process has not worked as intended for years. neither has the budget process. it seems like abnormal is the normal. that type of activity in this situation where we are already looking ahead to the next potential showdown, as he suggested, with the next debt ceiling altercation, this creates uncertainty, which is not good for the private sector and certainly is not good for the federal government in terms of its ability to function in a normal way. how can congress break out of this? >> do what we are hired to do and to appropriations in a timely manner. in maryland, we have a lot of defense contractors very concerned about sequester. many of them say, warner, warner, a nuisance and-bowles. -- do simpson-bowles. everyone supports it, but no one has read it. but the top line numbers are almost the same -- next time you do a default, do not make it so awful. putting a gun to
of santa barbara. we have gone over the fiscal cliff here in california. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. if the democratic party is so good, then why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time the unions, instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns give that money back to the membership so they can maybe pay their own wages and tax bears and people like me that live on fixed incomes don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we have worked hard to make? guest: you have worked hard. number one, i cannot comment on the california situation. i just don't know enough about it. reports are that things are starting to turn around a little over there. it's tough to pass a budget if when you have the fiscal majority requirement. second, how we got here, it's not unions. wages for americans have been going down the past 115 years. people are not keeping up with inflation. the average american worker has taken a 2011 pay cut when you compare what they made 10 years ago to what they're making now. -- $200
, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still o
. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: fiscal cliff let's take the plunge in the l.a. times. the debt will fall social security and medicare will go on unharmed, and we'll go back to tax rates that work better than the current ones. many made a public plea to george w. bush not to enact these tax cuts. they said it would woesen the budget deficit decrease quality, and fail to produce economic growth. well what happened? [ bell chimes ] >> stephanie: exactly that. [ ♪ patriotic music ♪ ] >> stephanie: since then the budget deficit has ballooned, the economy has spiraled into the greatest decline since the great depression history has proved that 450 economists were exactly correct. this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy, the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions, still
, with the european debt crisis looming and that fiscal cliff still unresolved, the robin report's robin lewis thinks many luxury buyers may be holding back this holiday season. >> i think that will cause some cautious spending in the last holiday season, in the last quarter. and if the resolve is made to increase the tax rates of the rich, it will definitely hit the pocketbooks. >> reporter: and there's no doorbusters for luxury players. they're banking on their price premiums and their quality to drive sales. later today, carl, i'll sit down with burberry ceo. we'll talk about all things luxe. >>> straight ahead, why the secret to housing reform might be reforming the fha itself. >>> a little bit laeter, how to play the retailers ahead of this holiday season. "squawk on the street" is coming right back. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and...
to change to not santa but to the white house. >> jamie: maybe santa will help with the fiscal cliff. >> eric: man, does santa need to help with this one. no proposal, have you heard about this? it deals with the debt limit. the president wants to take congress' power away over that to do it himself. republicans say what? some on wall street, though apparently support it. we'll fill you in. >> jamie: also, the freight train that carried dangerous chemicals and derailed it, literally jumped the tracks. investigators are out there today. they say they may know what contributed to the crash. it really affected residents trying to cope. >> we have the workers coming in. we are asking them questions like what is going on, how is it going, what are we supposed to do? it seems no one knows anything. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills. >> jamie: stories making headlines this hour, taliban homicide bomber attacking a joint u.s. and afghan base in afghanistan. five afghan seasonals k
the fiscal cliff. the way republicans in congress and the president solved the debt ceiling crisis was to build this cliff, that we're now supposedly dangling off of. they invented this deadline we're up against. the debt ceiling fight was a disaster, and now republicans, surprise, want to have that fight again. "the new york times" reports that one idea bouncing around the right side of the aisle is this. the republicans will extend tax cuts for the middle class, and then when they need to raise the debt ceiling, quote, demand deep concessions on medicare and social security as a price to raise the debt ceiling. one republican senator reportedly called the debt ceiling the line in the stand. the odds are pretty close to zero that we mint a $1 trillion coin in order to pay off some of the debt. but there's striking movement in the direction of changing the rules so we don't ever have to fight over this completely unnecessary issue ever again. remember, this is important. the debt ceiling isn't about incurring future debt. it's about the money congress has already duly authorized an
, protect american jobs and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reform, it will be impossible to address the debt crisis and get our economy going again and create jobs. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. time for the president, congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> doctor would you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see? >> it's been clear over the last year and a half i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget where we drought line very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget in the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> so your 2011 position still stands then? are you still offering those talks from 2011, is that still a debate is this? i'm not going to ge
on how to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president plans to deliver remarks and answer questions during a meeting of a business roundtable. critics say the president will call on business leaders to press lawmakers about raising the debt ceiling. while that is happening we expect to hear from house speaker john boehner any moment right now on the hill for the latest on what's happening on fiscal matters. martha? martha: meanwhile, there are new evacuations that have been ordered in a community where a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed nearly a week ago. 100 families told they have to leave their homes in new jersey near philadelphia. they have to play it safe until the last of the hazard does gas is removed. >> what we'll do we'll pump liquid in that dissolves the vinyl chloride. we'll pump that liquid back out into the highway truck. we have a derailment of hazardous of materials over and in a waterway and a community adjacent to it, right next to it. martha: the rail line is paying for hotel rooms and other expenses for 200 people not able to go home. the families as you can ima
to come to an agreement on the debt ceiling or -- and on the fiscal cliff? forget it. >> it was remarkable to see how this happened yesterday. i will read from john stanton's twitter feed our friend from business feed. i was there -- buzzfeed. his presence could push it over the edge. dole was there watching them vote. after he left the floor, he said the republicans very quietly got up, didn't vote from their desk. they got up quietly walked up to vote. he said that was remarkable because nobody wants that video in a commercial of them voting against bob dole, against people with disabilities. >> yeah, senator moran now, i forget his first name from texas who, i'm sorry from kansas jerry moran of kansas. i think he has the bob dole seat. he put out a press release with john mccain praising the treaty when it was first brought to the senate. he voted against it yesterday. these guys are courts and mean and they don't care. they don't care about the disabled either. my point is, again, this is the gang that the president has got to do bu
of santa barbara. caller: we are in california here. we have gone over the fiscal cliff here. we are billions of dollars in debt. democrats and the labor unions are bankrupting this state. so democrat parties are so good why are we bankrupt? don't you think it's time that the unions instead of spending billions of dollars on political campaigns, give that money back to the membership so they can pay their own way? and as taxpayers and people like me that live on a fixed income don't have to be taxed out of our homes and lose the money we work hard to make? host: mr. welch. guest: first of all you have worked hard and -- but a couple things. number one, i can't comment on the california situation. i just don't know enough about it. although the reports are things are starting to turn around a little bit there. and it's very tough to pass a budget when you've got that superis majority requirement. number two -- supermajority requirement. number two, how we got here, it's not unions. the wages for americans have been going down for the past 10, 15 years. people are not keeping up wi
't let the taxes go up for the middle class and avoid the fiscal cliff. >> first, the fiscal cliff, relative to our nation's spending driven debt crisis is a pothole. you've got 0.3% of all americans that have million dollar incomes. this is a shell game. you can't tax your way out of this problem. i mean, you have revenues that are about the same levels they were five or six years ago, when deficits were running $100, $150 billion. now we know deficits are running $1 to $1.5 trillion. what's changed is on the spending side yet all this discussion is on the tax revenues. you can tax every millionaire 100% and run the government for two or three months. this is a spending driven crisis and it has to be solved on the spending side. until the president gets serious about it, i'm not sure what there is to talk about, soledad. >> i'm not sure that the only conversations have just been on the tax side. i actually think there have been conversations on both. at this moment, right, we're going over or toward the fiscal cliff. if you do nothing, all of our taxes are going up. why not, as a
fiscal cliff. he says consequences will be far worse than last year's debt ceiling fight, when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded for the first time ever. if a deal is not reached, he told our poppy harlow, the ripple effect will be felt worldwide. >> this single issue has a seismic effect on the rest of the world, that we have never been as connected and the domino effect of a bad outcome here will have significant negative consequences, domestically and around the world. >>> take a minute to come over to your tv, if you can. penn state has another pr problem on its hands this morning. the university's kai omega sorority is being investigated for stereotyping latinos after a picture showed up on the site tumblr. the photo showed sorority members wearing fake mustaches and dressed in somberos while holding signs that say, "i don't cut grass, i smoke it." the president of the chapter has apologized. is that enough, soledad? >> ladies, as your multi-ethnic friend, let me help you. help me help you. no dressing up as any stereotypical figures. just stop. call a friend. get advice. do
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. >> alan simpson co-chair of the president's debt commission, says both sides are making a high stakes gamble. >> when you have leaders of parties and people of the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff, or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >>> syria on the bring. secretary of state hillary clinton holds emergency talks with russia as u.s. officials confirm reports that the syrian military is prepared to launch chemical weapons against its own people. >> we've made it very clear what our position is with respect to chemical weapons and i think we will discuss that and many other aspects. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will be consequences. >> plus, sharp criticism from afghan president karzai. the exclusive nbc interview. why he
for the middle class. >>heather: thank you. >>gregg: from the fiscal cliff to will i don'ting the debt ceiling speaker boehner disagreeing with president obama under the white house proposal. the president would have the power to raise the debt limit on his own, whenever he wants, as needed. speaker boehner saying congress isn't budging on that issue and here is what he had to say on fox news sunday. >> congress will never give up the power and i made it clear to the president that when we get to the debt limit we need to cut some reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit. it is the only way to leverage the political process to produce more change than if left alone. >>gregg: you can see more of the remarks on "fox news sunday" at the top of the hour. >> extreme weather on the west coast flood advisories in effect for storm ravaged parts of northern california as another storm bringing heavy rain and police and fire officials wanting the napa and russian rivers expected to break their banks. and now, streaming live from northern california. >>reporter: yes, the banks are abo
people are watching is if they blow up fiscal cliff, if we go over, if this is chaos, if they punt, if it's a small deal, it's going to be a sign that we're not going to get the deficit reduction that we need. >> and that's the challenge for the president. because, yes, he does have all the leverage. we talked about that. he won the election of course. but this is a test of leadership, and the american public does not want to go over that cliff because, by the way, they want the tax cut for the middle class to remain in place. that's the ultimate cliff there and the bottom line is we don't want those to expire. gwen: as we approach it we begin to try to read the tea leaves. he brings the c.e.o.'s to the white house and they had the goldman sachsco guy saying i'm pretty optimistic we'll come up with a deal. and others think we'll good over the cliff. what do we read into that? >> there's a rule that denny has earth enunciated and people are outraged. it's a majority institution. the speaker is not going to put something on the floor that doesn't get a majority of the majority. if john byne
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